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whatever the place of the weather, even in wartime, there's a wonderful photo showing churchill in a three-piece suit and join a pic at t., sitting on iraq by the side of the road. he picnicked with roosevelt that hide park. he picnicked on the banks with his generals and in the north african desert with friends. he established his own picnic rituals, enthusiastically seek an old indian army toast and calling for verses that could only be recited as picnics. much has been said and written about churchill and alcohol. some of the true, most not, some exaggerated. i go into detail about churchill's drinking habits. churchill had been told -- roosevelt had been told that churchill was a drunk. they charge one or his critics repeated. churchill did consume more alcohol than we are used to
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today, but not a great deal by the standards of his contemporaries and a drink did not affect him or his work. >> next, zainab salibi profiles women who have lived through more and other horrors. through the book she murdered women of afghanistan to the democratic republic of congo, rwanda, bosnia and herzegovina. this is about an hour. >> there's a lot of young people in here, so i'll tell you the journey of how this book started. it started like everything else, people have been an idea and saying let's just do it. so i messed with perennial appeared we were in a photo shoot and he says they want to volunteer to do some things for women. just one step after the other amount the sudden we have a whole book. so i'm a big believer in the
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possibilities of change and the possibilities of you living your dreams and doing whatever you set your mind to do. this is particularly to young people but the young minded or the young hearted or anybody in this room. the book is called "if you knew me you would care." as you said, when it comes to women and work on the government accept them as victims. but none of us wanted to convey that it is a story because though there is a nightmare story, their story is so far more than just a bit story. they are not defined by the actual story. they are defined within make up the story. claudine, for example if a woman who wanted to be a doctor when she was a kid. she had maceration and everything is good till her father died when she was 13 years old and she had to leave
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school so she could work and help her mother support her. i can also tell you what she was 16 she fell in love with a young man. she saw him and her waste of the church and they would laugh at each other and i had a crush on each other in she giggles when she talks about how she fell in love. they got married when they're 18. they got married later on and they had a happy marriage and they had caved in the house and it was a happy marriage. until the war one they broke up. when the bar broke up, it took everything away from them and he started drinking and being an alcoholic and he started beating there appeared one day keep it up so badly the hospital refused to treat her in my she told who did this to her. she told the hospital and when
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they went to prison he divorced his wife. i want to tell you claudine was to wait two years ago by a soldier she did not know who he is, but that's not only claudine. claudine made of her hair in a style. see how cool it is. claudine is a woman who is in love, a woman who was beaten, who survived, who has a fire right now. it's never a simple story of those others in other parts of the world and in this place in kosovo. i started the journey thinking i am embarking on a journey to save the world. i've learned that the world was saving me and the women i end up thinking i am hoping helping me. when i ask her what peace means for her, what does she mean peace?
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it is to understand war and peace from a woman's perspective. she said pieces inside my heart. no one can take it away from me. no one can give it to me. i go to yoga every single day. at least i try. i spent so much money at yucca studios, medication and all kinds of things so i can understand that peace clonidine is talking about. pieces inside my heart. no one can take it away from me. no one can give it to me. they are in and out by one military commander in the day she was supposed to be killed, he said he gives her his military uniform and seeks to pretend it's a machine gun. he still semi-motorcycle. she said that it is my profit.
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she teaches me how to love. and that's if you knew me, you would care and understand the intimate stories, not only the horrible stories. this cemented do not look at me as a poor woman. i was a rich woman and one. she had her callous and chicken and goat and and a work team and they stole it away from her. we have to connect what i learned in the journey. this woman was not smiling and many of us appreciate beauty and want to be beautiful. you see if we can make in that beautiful story and if we connect on a love story that has been seated on her and as a result cotter hiv. there are stories that any other
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thin hair cut haircut go through. they are not all bad stories. and his stories are linked from this woman who is a beautician in afghanistan. i learned how to pay attention to the answer at this eyebrows and helped me clean it up afterwards because in afghanistan there is a beauty that everyone appreciated and i finally see that only has the burqa. this woman has a beauty parlor. she actually makes sure it does all the weddings she was talking about. makeup and all of that. woman also was married to a man 40 years older than her and did not want her to make this man, but they were so worried that they gave out. they were worried he would kidnap her anyways. she is struggling day in, day out to center for daughters to school. she has been sick and nice, but she is not defined by her but
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story. and if we cannot see her beyond the story, it's a shame on us. the dalai lama said if you cannot respect those who serve, then better not serve them because they would feel if you do not respect them. this woman, she was a soldier again citalopram. this is just one of the pictures. we have other pictures how to use an ak-47. okay i believe you. siting next to their husbands or metallic metallic band. if we minimize them into only the victim's story, we are violating them again. and that's, if you knew me, you would care. if you knew me, you would know i'm trying to lose weight and this woman is a teacher and she's getting her masters degree and her mother is a widow and a
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single woman who talks about crossing rivers and crossing over to buy these to save her two daughters and help them go to school. she's trying to lose weight. this is a universal thing. but the point is if you connect to them like any of us in here, then and only then may be built on conversations. a person-to-person as opposed to visit into the savior. and that's why change the narrative of the discussion. chronos for example was playing at the 60-year-old child and she was grabbed one day from the playground by her father and put on another man's back and a told
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her, you now belong to another family. her brother was played with another brother, so they have to send their daughters to marry the boy at the other family. he was angry at her family, the boy was nine years old they did not get married legally. he helped her escape any health care connector family and they actually fell on my and they got married and she got pregnant and went to her family to a piece and they so she said it was one thing to be angry at my father. it's another thing to be angry when he killed my own husband. so she raised now a single mother at the age of 60 in raising a daughter on her own. why day they see her wearing open shoes. it was illegal to wear open shoes. so they got off the car and started whipping her.
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she told me about how she grabbed one of the taliban who is ripping her and through it and everyone froze and he said what are you doing? she said i told her not to beat me and he beat me. asking her how did you have the scariest? i would be scared. she says it's not the pain of the whipping that got me this carriage. it was the humiliation of being beat and public. that woman is more courageous than many of us. many of us in here we see injustice in front of us every single day. but sometimes in our neighborhood. she had the courage to stop the taliban from beating her at. each one of the should have the courage from stopping anybody
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abusing us or our environment to her streets or city or country or animals or anything like that. she now has $30,000 in the bank account and she just bought a machine for $18,000 is employing 150 people. all she wants in afghanistan is peace so she can expand our business and that's your desire. now i embarked upon this journey, wondering, what is after founding and running women for for 18 years, and organization that supports women survivors of war and helps them rebuild their lives by doing very simple things. we ask every person to sponsor one at a time by said her $30 a month in exchange pictures with her. you can help one of these women, whoever is here.
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for the very simple program designed to move from crisis to opportunities. so we can't her training and vocational skills training and she graduates at the end of the year and would help her get a job and stand up on her feet. after 18 years of growing women for women international funds, helping 33 bosnian women all over the world and distributing more than $100,000,000.2 women survivors. i love so i could do something completely different in my home country or my home region committee arab world in the middle east. on the eve of my departure i went and visited each country and that's the book, to understand, what is it that is
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the agent of change. what is it that changes that life? it was in bosnia that one of my colleagues held my hand and said the secret is inspiration. it's the telling of the story. so there is bosch. a slave in 1994 were 8000 muslims were killed in mass occurred and it is the biggest failure and embarrassment for the u.n. who failed to protect them after promising. the women were rape and displaced and now some of the women came back. the only survivors came back. i asked her, what triggers you to come back? she said i came back in spite.
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i came back in spite of seeing my brothers being tortured and seen his eyes pop off the. i came back in spite of being forced to clean the floors and ceilings from blood and the concentration in rape camps. i came back in spite of seeing another spring burst open. i came back in spite to tell them that i am still alive and with me this story exists and that will not die. do you have any other questions? the story has learned from bosch and many other women is the most thing that we have. each person has their own story. in my case each woman has her own story. we have a choice. we have a choice of either keeping a secret and out of the
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story to ourselves because were embarrassed and ashamed and worried about people's judgment or breaking the silence and telling our stories and we become that inspiration. we could become that candle and a woman's life to help her know she is not allowed, to help her understand i am her, she is me because the stories keep on repeating. or because care for someone else's to tell the story. i learned that from the congolese woman who when i asked her, what a shootout me the story? she said if i can tell the whole world about my story, she was rape with her 9-year-old daughter and 20 and 21-year-old daughter, if i can tell the whole world what happened i will said other women will not have to go through what i went through. but i can, you can.
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tell the story, just not to the neighbors. a year later she was on the oprah winfrey show reraise $5 million of normal women supporting one woman at a time. all the neighbors knew the story, but instead of being busy them, i am her story and not a creature is achieved, the woman warrior who is on the story and told it. we have a choice where we are going away with live. this woman asked for a job. they want dignity integrity and she says give me a job, any job. i just want to work. this woman started a business after having breast cancer enjoined women for women sent to your and got inspired by how can she revive herself and started
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learning baskets and making them and selling them and the relationship there has been impaired because now she's making money for. this woman is married to a butcher. this summit is a beautiful thing if it comes to model my portrait photography, but fashion photography. will tell you why he set up the fortresslike. you can imagine many women in here any but the men you can imagine someone having braved background flashes. this woman came skipping from the photo shoot and she said i have been a refugee. i have been a poor woman. i have. my father and today i am a fashion model. and the reason i tell this story is because we cannot see them
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only as fake guns. they are just like anybody in this room and today she was a fashion model. so how do you hope the others? how do you reach out with integrity and dignity and respect at the core of this? basso women for women international try to do. it's the story of inspiration that is the transformative power. this woman was a genocide survivor. all of her family except for her mother died in a genocide. she married a guy and fell in love. 1994, 800,000 people were killed. half a million women were in 100 days. so she goes and falls in love and marries the guy that she really loved the three children as well.
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and the marriage, he starts abusing her and he was so cool that he would not abuse her in any way that we shall not be physical. he would hold her from the front and he turned it back so no one can see the abuse. many women feel this way. she feels this is my faith, my destiny until one day she visited a neighbor and the neighbors she said they have a soap, furniture in the room. a very poor area. usually sit on the floor. she said a neighbor in children were dressing up nicely and never was going to school, but the neighbor had a man in her home, but not any other man. a good man. i took a neighbor and said how did she change her life? how did you do a? the neighbor told her, i learned
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how to make paper beads, which you can find the baskets sold in the store. so she said it learned how to make paper baskets in the store. so i made necklaces and i bought the furniture. the good man comes. she keeps a figurehead. that's the story of inspiration. she looks for the organization and she enrolls in women for women and she goes to the organization behind her husband's back and she starts taking double classes so she makes the necklaces and starts making money. and clothing the kids and she learned how to read and write and he all of a sudden sees her
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in a different way. she said the relationship is improving. we'll see if he can improve. she changed her life and stood on their feet. if it took for her to be inspired by another woman stories, to give her a safe place for her to thrive and fulfill their own potential. these women are building their centers after all of this is how many women get discovered. they were building a woman center in rwanda. this woman forget her son's killer. schieffer gave her son's killer. if she can forget her son's killer, who are we to forgive someone who hurt us in here? he came to her and apologized and refused and he came again
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and refuse and finally she decides i have to forgive him so i can relieve myself for not paying. when i see her, i say if she can forgive, who am i not to forgive? if she could look that beautiful, with a headscarf like this, who am i not to pay attention to how i look at how i should be presentable? if she can how grace and peace, who am i not to have grace and peace? i learned how to apply makeup from bosnian women believe mcknight and i learned how to pluck my eyebrows at upper lip for afghan women. i came from iraqi within two weeks ago and they said we know the world sees us as the comes, but we are by far not the.
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we have been at last, but we are strong women. if you knew me, you would care. there's also reason, my farewell after 18 years of running as a ceo, the journey of understanding, what is that we actually want? what is it that is the source and that is the story of inspiration. the reason i change my life and now focusing on media and the arab world because we need to create more stories of inspiration and with that, this is my work, right? there's this journey with rennio and i learned so much from the end has come any.
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not only what she triggered because they were looking at the most beautiful women, but i learned how to look at a society as women tell the story and with that i will hand it over to rennio. [applause] >> so, talking after zainab. it's always different. it depends the way they hurry up and move. i saw her in the beginning that
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she need to talk. i didn't know anything about her because usually what i take a project i don't want to know too many things. so i didn't know her story. so she would start talking at the interesting story. i ended up in congo and afghanistan. she was time in the story of women for women. and then i say okay. i would say to her, let me now, i am here. and then she called me and we started with congo and michael was there from the beginning was
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to work on noninjury destruction of the background. we are traveling. so is keeping very simple and the same thing so i decided on a white background and i decided evening to use application might because i knew we have so much time in every country, so i couldn't wait for the right light and couldn't shoot outside because it was in kabul for the women to be seen. so from there we started in congo and she was very good beginning beginning with her interview. so it was fair i was waiting for interviews an hour and a half.
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then saw all these women say there's an interesting face. so i went out with nice just took a portrait of the face so then i started to do a portrait. she saw thought immediately of us to an interesting, so she decided to have a small interview. so after congo, i ended up with like 20 portraits and then we tried to keep the same people in each country. there are 50 to 60 women in this book. it was incredible, but my love
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was the portrait. so then i ended up in fashion. but it's only the time of my life when i always decided to go back to my first love is a portrait and this is one that happened again. i'm so happy because they go back to my roots of what i love to do. >> what did you see in the women? >> 's i take the book and go for the country and i can see that, for example, there is a feeling that the country can read through the book. in congo you can see there is something, some emotion.
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when you go to afghanistan, there is a different feeling. these women feel like they lost everything. there is no light in the eyes of most of them. ever wonder you see them smiling and happy and the feeling when you go around in the country because people are busy, people are happy. then again you go to bosnia and bosnia, for example, in congo is happening right now. every time she was seeking an interview, they talk about the above story. then they go and froze. for me, the beginning seems like fate.
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it doesn't feel real. but because it is too strong, it's like a story. they seek not the women repeat the same things, the same pattern. in bosnia it's different because in bosnia what you see as most of them process already the moment of being associated in the feeling for the border. [applause] >> outdoes to take questions if anybody has any. no questions? okay, go ahead. can he stand up and say who you
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are at the microphone? [inaudible] >> what is the important for women, two clicks >> to fight in a war. [inaudible] >> were, i think what we need is to live in a world where every woman has the freedom to make whatever choices that she has two fulfill her full potential. if one woman wants to be a
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soldier, and not fulfilling her potential, then it should be. if another woman wants to be a nurse or doctor or astronaut, she should be. as long as this is coming out of choice of wedding and an opportunity, and a place where you can afford that choice and that sometimes is cultural, but sometimes financial. for me, financial independence for women is very, very important and i say that to women who have money and women who do not have money. if you have money and you're not earning the scum of the but you're inheriting it, then you still don't have the freedom to make whatever choices that you want. and so come a very important for women to have that choice. in terms of one piece for me, we've got to understand war and peace not only from a front-line discussion, which is fighting, but a backline discussion. usually it's the men who fight
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in the front line combat is 11 aspect of war and one aspect of peace. peace becomes the end of fighting. if we understand true war and peace, we understand the fighting and will also understand from the backline discussion how to keep life going and that's what women go through. a lot of the countries that go to war in syria. the people right now have to eat and go to school and go to jobs and earn money. we have to understand that the backline discussion. so part of what i ask every woman is what do you think of war, would he think of peace? what are your hopes for the future? almost none of them say peace is the ending. peace has been able to send our kids to school.
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event justice. peace not being able to celebrate holidays without fear. peace not been able to roam around in iraq. people still ask for not having bombings and from a woman's. peace is having jobs, having stability. i do believe we've got to hear women's voices. not in a ceremonial of all, but a real, real level. [inaudible]
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i am not >> i've never found assistance from anyone am not actually. i think that struggle now mind you we work with the poorest of the poor. when you are in that of poverty, all you need is to survive. i haven't even thought resistance. one is that level of poverty. i was talking with the wife to tell her what we do that's what we do. is that okay so we work with your wife? he says we are so hungry, so tired. if you help the family in any way, if it's through my wife,
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then please help us. they seem not same story. at the end of the day the struggle becomes how do i survive and get a decent life. usually you are put down for so long that she think this is my destiny. the afghan woman was a makeup artist. they set up a really good men out there? of course they are good men. you get beaten up for so long that she think this is the world. so i don't mean physically beat up. you're told you're worthless and then you think i am worthless. so the story of everyone coming
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in and standing up and saying this is my story becomes someone porton to understand i am not the only one and it opens up. but very same culture is water. it goes around. water always pays its own way so it's constantly evolving and changing. but i want to say one more thing about this story because it's not the other woman's story. it is us in here. when it comes to stories about domestic violence or rape nice american story is ever expire perfect euphoria. this is that they've gone through what they're going through and i like really they go through this? of course they do. that's when they open now. that's when the bosnia bubba knows i'm not the only one going or violence.
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one out of five women in the world is violated. to make the connection between each other becomes important enough that we create a space to say i deserve more. i deserve to be happy and joyful and in love and i deserve to have a good life and i can only reach that stage if we share the possibilities of what can happen. [inaudible]
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>> first, there is always a trusting environment. it's not a stranger on the street. and they are all in a safe space already. if i want someone to tell me their story that i need to take the initiative first. most of the interview started with me time on their story and i am from iraq and this is how i grew up and i was in an abusive marriage and i came out and stood up on my feet and i build my life and got married to another wonderful guy. his adventures in fear and worry. i actually take the first step and believe this is my respect for them. how can i expect her to tell me
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her story if i'm not lying to take that risk myself and share vulnerability with her. almost every single one i stuck with her is my story. i think of it is the biggest gift i can give. only then i step back and say what you tell me your story? that becomes the exchange? >> for me, sometimes we're just a few minutes to spend with the women. the or something going on here so for me was more to create a safe space for them when they arrived and give them attention. first of all because as you say before, i was in a safe place.
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she's quite asked for permission. she's already very proud they are. the funny thing that happened in afghanistan for many of us in this room starting with a group of laymen. there was more room. can everybody please, please? hoosiers have the woman in front of me. they hoosiers have the woman in front of me. they say can you please? i said okay. but other than not, it was a very humbling experience because from a stranger they are, uss
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eisai to give them a safe space where they feel respect it and taking care of. >> actually i just want to say the phase space is so important. if we are to hear what women have to see politically or economically, that phase space is important to create. so even in stereo right now whenever i talk to politicians of course they are women with political opinions and good solutions. in order to get them to speak, the sky to create a safe space. so in order to get and a person to speak out, even in your corporations and schools and classes, with god to create a safe space for her to share her story. >> we have time for just a couple more questions. we are doing book signings, too.
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please biodata of local story is a nonprofit organization. i do not [inaudible] when you buy this book you are supporting zainab. [laughter] i am back [inaudible] to take a few comments here and that we will wrap it up. thank you.
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>> i read your book several years ago and volunteer teacher organization as well. have you been in touch with the nco world are politicians or business people, do you find other depending who you are working on it the import answer the challenge of working with people that by not automatically seem to mind her mission? >> walkaround this way. >> we would like to know if you would like to help women. overall, how can you do that?
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[inaudible] >> hi, my question is why men love images of degrading women and why women like to degrade themselves in the first place. >> could you repeat that, please? been a quiet men love images of degrading women and why women love to degrade themselves as well. this! semite chenoa's first of all -- [inaudible] [inaudible]
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[inaudible] >> thank you very, very much for your inspiring words. [inaudible] [inaudible]
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[inaudible] >> she's the girl that got shot for are the right to go to school from a 13-year-old girl. i love her. i have goosebumps every time i think of her.
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i may have knocked [inaudible] [inaudible] [laughter] [inaudible] >> thank you so much for coming and sharing your stories.
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>> you've got a total of six minutes. that's for both of you, by the way. >> i'm going to sue men really fast. did i ever change grandmasters, however? no, but you need to message differently to different people. for example, the best way to communicate with their daughter and what happens to their daughters and fathers all over the road care about their daughters. you can keep communicating the same message over and over again and different million ways until it gets through. how to help women in the book for similar women like them or thousands of women was really waiting to be enrolled in.
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please go to women for who came from a wonderful, dear friend. wonderful, wonderful woman. live life in as much truth as possible. as a couple of questions about men. i can only tell you about my journey with that. i started my journey with men and this is not that i'm in my personal life, but in the context i was working on as well as some in my personal life with anger. i was very angry at men. then commit a lot of crimes against women. so i came from anger at the beginning. someone asked her what i was 27 years old. i'm 43 years old right now. someone asked me what i was 27 years old what keeps you going?
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on off that injustice. but i will always act, but then i was in afghanistan in 2002 in a displaced peoples can't. two men who look like the taliban walked towards me and my colleagues and they have appeared in the terminated and the whole look and i was scared. this is the taliban. they're going to kill us. i whispered to my colleagues and said let's run to the car. they're like now, let's just say what they have to say. so the men came and spread their hands and sit thank you. we want to thank you for helping our wives be more happy and be more fulfilled. said that was a transformative moment, like moment and only realized in that moment that as much as i was fighting against
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quartering women, i've been doing the same 82 men, cornering their image too bad if only the aggressor. i cannot do justice to women if i do injustice to men. basso transferred my relationship with men on men moved from anger to understanding to compassion and believing we cannot do this journey. this is a woman's right to say we are halfway in the mountains, but we cannot get to the top of them out without partnering and collaborating and talking with men. so it became a transformative relationship and i really have a lot of compassion on work and now we have a whole program that works with men to understand by women's rights are. we've got 400 afghanistan to give sermons about women's rights. so it's possible.
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iraq, the hardest country ever worked in was my home country, so everything is 100% more emotional for me. i write in a new book on iraq should be coming back hopefully this year. it's close to my heart and triggers a lot of emotions. but i keep on going and going and i'll connected to the arrow pointing. yes, you're absolutely right. arab women right now are the battlefields of the war of ideology happening in the middle east. it's not women against men or men against women. it's different ideologies it is going to control them? was going to happen to them? i believe one of story telling national narrative. it's not women only. if it happens to that country. that's why we signed and now producing a film on arab women in the arab spring in focusing on my life and energy on arab
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and muslim women because they feel this is the most important thing. if you want to stay in touch, please let me know. we need to find our voice within any other time. this is a critical time for us. that's where i get inspired. when you go to the arab world, the younger white men say the older generation was given advice and taken away and now we need to iron it and is to be part of our system and were going to work on that. so that's why i'm optimistic despite the challenge happening in the middle east. how do we create a safe in a space? the way his work as a first knock on the doors and knocking on each story saying this is overdoing. the song is still in my head.
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[singing] where women for women. so we do that and then recall for a community service, a community meeting where we announce in front of every man woman this is overdoing. transparency is the best thing you can do. do you approve us working in your community? if they say yes, we say. then we create safety because now it's become a community decision. now everyone becomes part of the process of selecting the most vulnerable. so that's how they went about it. i am so inspired by her. she is the most courageous one. we all have to speak up and i life here today.
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if she is struggling so much just to go to school, don't ever say a word. just go to school and finish up college. you've got to finish school. and i think i am done. i really deserve in a plastic. [applause] >> all right. anything else? was the last question? women loving. lesbians. we never went out of her way, but i can tell you a story that touched my heart. a lot of women that work in the other countries like afghanistan or bosnia or conservative women.
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they come from research societies where sexuality is not talked about, especially not homosexuality. it's very hard. i remember a long time ago a bosnian woman who has survived really displacement. i found her in a refugee camp. i got a letter from her sponsor in america. the sponsor is a young american woman who wrote them a young american lesbians woman. the early days they used to distribute everything myself. this woman started crying and never won a why are you crying? she just did not know how to process the information. but it was because she was so
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confused. they sex involved in a letter and it is very confusing. it is the most beautiful thing because it gave them the ability to talk. about how as part of a woman's life in all of that. severally came out to the last days. to the exchange to understand these issues are talked about in public in this culture, but in private in the other culture is part of breaking the silence. when she said i am a lesbians woman and broke her silence conspire to bust a bosnian woman to create that space. so that is the space we dealt with it. other than that, it was always about charity has survived in and them get on their feet regardless if they were married, not. , widows, divorce. doesn't matter what they've gone to, what orientation they had.
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it was just about helping them stand on their feet. [applause] >> coming up next, afterwards that ariel: at the heritage foundation. this week, diana west in her new book, american betrayal. she argues the u.s. government has been marching toward socialism and capitulated to communism since the 1940s, abandoning america's core ideals in the process. this program is about a


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